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Attack of the Vanity Sizes - Are You Really An Eight?

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Braving the sauna that is New York in July, interns Natalie and Sabrina ventured into Soho, exploring something just as undeniable as the city’s heat:

The fashion world’s sizing differences.

We hit every store on the spectrum, from mass-market retailers (Old Navy, H&M) to high fashion boutiques (Prada, Barneys Co-op).

As followers of the Teen Vogue code mixing high and low, we’re used to H&M’s size zero skirts in our closets rubbing fabrics with the Miu Miu size sixes. Still, we find the concept of crazy sizing as confusing as the concept of open-toed high-heeled booties.

While common girl knowledge dictates that our favorite pairs of jeans will inevitably run the gamut of sizes, we have to admit we often expect simple items like dresses and shorts to be a little more constant.

Affordable retail chains certainly have a much broader customer base to consider when fitting their clothes, but that doesn’t mean Sabrina didn’t laugh when 5â€?10 Natalie couldn’t get an Ungaro size 6 over the edge of her collarbone—

Later, she zipped herself into an XS at Club Monaco…

But what about the rest of her wardrobe?

—NATALIE MATTHEWS AND SABRINA BACON

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Shorts

We first ventured into Intermix for some jean shorts. The pair Sabrina tried on was almost perfect, but at a size 4 they were a bit snug. Odd, considering our next two stores, Club Monaco and Old Navy, both labeled her a size 0.

Also in the circus of the Old Navy dressing rooms, Natalie tried on a pair of shorts that fit comfortably at a size 2. Later at Barney’s Co-op, Natalie unsuccessfully tried to squeeze into some size 2 Theory shorts, only to discover she needed not a 4, or a 6, but an 8. Aah!

Dresses

At Club Monaco, Natalie and Sabrina’s spirits brightened a bit when they fit into identical XS black dresses. That feeling waned slightly when we wandered into Ina, the extraordinary consignment boutique. Sabrina wriggled into a Prada dress, enthralled by its appearance…until she saw the size 6 tag. Usually, Sabrina is a 2.

In the next dressing room, Natalie also picked a size 6 dress, this time an Ungaro, expecting it to be a bit roomy. Not so much, which made it even more amusing when the saleswoman tried to tell her that the dress that wouldn’t zip was a good buy!

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The infamous Kate Moss for TopShop dresses that they both tried in Opening Ceremony further deflated Natalie’s ego when she fit nicely into the size 8 (in the midst of an attempt to show Sabrina how that size would definitely be too big). But what was she supposed to think after coming from Old Navy, whose XS dresses gave her room to breathe?

Sabrina, on the other hand, fit comfortably into a 4 in the Kate Moss dress, which was just what she expected— maybe it was proof that sometimes, sizing is consistent between high fashion and mass market.

But as Natalie so often found, when high fashion houses label you a true size six, Old Navy considers you a zero.

So what are the Snejana’s of the world supposed to wear when they want to shop mass market?

[editor’s note: stay tuned for next week, when Natalie and Sabrina go shopping for lingerie…]

—SABRINA BACON AND NATALIE MATTHEWS

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posted by anon

Jul 12, 2007 10:29AM

is it possible to label what's what in the pics?

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posted by lulu

Jul 12, 2007 10:42AM

isn't topshop british sizing? A uk size 8 is about equivalent to a club monaco 2...

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posted by Natalie

Jul 12, 2007 10:44AM

of course! we forgot that the ambience of the dressing rooms and quality of the fabrics don't really project from these images to tell you where we were..

so: the gray shorts at top left were the Old Navy size 2's on me, Sabrina's in an American Apparel size 0 (even though later, we were 4's and 8's in Intermix and Theory..)

below that, the white dress is at left is an Old Navy XS on me. But notice that in the bottom image i couldnt get that black Ungaro size 6 to even zip in the back (hence laughter)

Sabrina's dresses were that white dress from Prada, a 6, and a long rainbow Missoni, an 8... even though in most of her dresses, she's a 2...

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posted by k122n

Jul 12, 2007 10:44AM

i grew up in dallas, and am a self-proclaimed neiman marcus whore.

having said that, i remember our fav associate telling me that, although a certain designer's sportswear will fit me as a size 6, when i went to try on formal evening gowns by that same designer, i should expect to go down at least a size - because designers/manufacturers are well aware that a woman is more likely to drop big $$ on a dress PARTICULARLY if it's a size smaller than normal - they think they are skinnier, so they buy the dress. this was 10 years ago.

so it's no surprise to me that mass-market retailers in the US have cottoned on and now size what should be an 8 as a 0 or 2 - because, if a woman feels skinnier, she's going to buy it! this also explains, i think, why the disparity is not so great for higher-end labels.

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posted by guest

Jul 12, 2007 10:55AM

h&m has size 0? the smallest size i've seen is a size 2

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posted by Jenn

Jul 12, 2007 10:57AM

Call me in need of a diet, but there's something a little squicky to me about constantly reiterating that the interns are normally a size 0/2/XS. I understand the value of exploring the differences between sizing of different brands and price points, but the statement "only to discover she needed not a 4, or a 6, but an 8. Aah!" makes me feel like Natalie is positively HORRIFIED that she could ever be considered an 8.

Believe me, I get that a lot of high fashion looks better on thinner women-- thinner than I'll ever be, anyway. But there just seems to be an undercurrent of "OhMyGod I can't believe I could actually be (gasp!) a 6!!!" that I find distasteful, and more than a little off-putting.

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posted by guest

Jul 12, 2007 11:04AM

was the kate moss dress a uk 8 or us 8? becasue according to the topshop website a uk 8 is equivalent to a us 4

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posted by danak

Jul 12, 2007 11:08AM

In retrospect, one of the nicest compliments I ever got (in the gym, anyway -- and no, it wasn't at all creepy) was when a woman stopped me and said in tones of deepest appreciation, "Lucky! You're a perfect size 8, aren't you?" Now bear in mind at the time I was a perfect Banana Republic size 4, and taking a sewing class where I took a perfect size 12 pattern. So learning that, basically, I'm a classic size 8 was just fine by me. Sizes are all completely random according to designer, and when you get in European sizes there's a whole NEW map (38-42, ugh). So long as you have a basic idea of your own measurements you should be fine... unless you're buying online, in which case, good luck.

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posted by Kristen

Jul 12, 2007 11:09AM

I don't know, I remember the first time I didn't fit into my usual 2 or 4 and it was a bit alarming. Several years and pounds later I've gotten over it--I just like food too much to be that thin. In fact, I recently bought a dress at Barney's that was a size 12--definitely not a vanity size! But it fits well and looks great on, so who cares what size the label says?

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posted by vanilla

Jul 12, 2007 11:12AM

I hear you Jenn, I was thinking the same thing..poor girls they might have to wear a SIZE 6!!! the HORRORS!!

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posted by anon

Jul 12, 2007 11:30AM

yawn. this blog is called fashionista. if you're reading it you should either BE a sample size or at least have the sense to stop whining about posts being insensitive towards larger people. sorry, but all-inclusive and non-offensive is not what fashion is about.

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posted by guest

Jul 12, 2007 11:32AM

They are cute girls...they should not worry what size they are in!!

I don't think they are horrified by being a size 6...it is hard for anyone to go up a size whether we are a 4 or a 14 - it sends us a message about the way we are taking care of / seeing ourselves.

unless of course you are trying to gain weight or for other reasons unknown to others...

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posted by katie

Jul 12, 2007 11:38AM

This makes me so angry.

I'm a classic size 6 by my measurements, but I usually end up with a size 2. My Proenza for Target dress is a 0, though, and I very nearly didn't buy it because I find it offensive that it is believed to eb necessary to lie to women about our sizes. My older sister should be a size 10, looks fantastic in everything, but consistently purchases 6es and 4s.

At least shoes are moderately consistent...

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posted by a

Jul 12, 2007 11:46AM

I thought the Proenza ran small (and oddly sized) but to my recollection there were no size 0 as it's a misses size (even numbers) and all PS was junior sizing (odd numbers)...

I find anon 11.30s comment offensive--interest in fashion isn't the same as being exclusive or having a n eating disorder. Some skeleton's aren't sample sizes either--you can't diet away your bones.

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posted by patentleather

Jul 12, 2007 11:53AM

sizing is a wash. i don't even look at tags any more, just hold the garment up and grab the two that seem closest to my size. i have american sizes in my closet ranging from a 0 to an 8... i don't really find myself wanting things more if i fit in a smaller size. i want it more if it looks hot!

re: anon's comment about larger women- it IS okay for people to be angry that their size isn't fairly represented, there are a lot of beautiful, shapely women who are a classic 10 or 12. there are also a lot of fat people who love fashion-- why can't they want options? truly, the thing that keeps high fashion from being democratic is the price tag. you have to be able to buy it to wear it.

that said, you probably shouldn't complain about your size being under-represented if you are a size 24 and got their willfully, i.e. not because of some medical condition, but because you eat like crap and treat your body like crap.

however, i think that there should be beautiful, fashionable clothing for women of all sizes. american designers could hit the fucking jackpot if they did plus size lines that weren't overrun with odd shapes, leopard print and garish floral patterns.

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posted by patentleather

Jul 12, 2007 11:54AM

oh dear, i mean got there. apparently, this whole no caffeine thing is not serving me well!

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posted by Jordan

Jul 12, 2007 12:14PM

I'm as far as I could get away from a sample size. Heck I'm not even a woman! But I don't think it's fair to say people that can't wear everything shouldn't be allowed to admire it. I think that's just cruel.

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posted by Jenn

Jul 12, 2007 12:18PM

Anon 11:30--

I'm not asking fashion to be all-inclusive or non-offensive to everyone. I can't afford couture, and I'm okay with that--and I choose not to wear Rei Kawakubo, either. However, I can appreciate the artistry, skill and beauty in both-- despite the fact that they aren't within my personal budget or taste.

What I DO take offense to-- however mild-- is that two girls would appear to be horrified by being an 8, which is still a smaller size than most of America wears. I'm also not going to get into the argument over skinny models, big beautiful women, or Doutzen vs. Hilary Rhoda vs. Kate Dillon. I don't think it's completely out of bounds to mention on a blog that seems to aim to bring ideas and discourse about fashion to the masses that it's mildly icky-feeling to have my size (6ish) induce panic in a writer.

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posted by amandabug

Jul 12, 2007 12:56PM

i'm a true 0/xs. it pisses me off to NO END that stores like club monaco, banana republic, and old navy do this vanity sizing, so that i can't fit their clothes. It also makes me feel like a freak that I CANT fit into their clothes, as if I were some midget in the mind of American designers. I understand that some women may be more inclined to buy something just because it has a small size label. But that's not fair to the people who are actually small and get sized out of clothes. In my teen years, when I was all lanky and hadn't gotten used to my body being so small when everyone was becoming curvy and voluptuous, my only options were pretty much the children's sections. How do you think that felt to a 16 year old who was trying to wear clothes like all her other friends?

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posted by guest

Jul 12, 2007 1:07PM

Now try sizing with someone that has a cup size of a D or larger. You think it's hard when you're small on top and small on the bottom? How about big on top and small on the bottom?

In the last 4 years I've purchased 2 dresses because I can't find anything that will fit my chest at any price point. Bathing suits? Forget about it. Bras? Grandmother style only if I want something to hold them properly and not cause me pain/to look like I'm braless.

Who cares if you're a 2,4,6,8 in different stores. Most women know what size they are where because they shop at that store/brand often. It's just how companies do it, but at least they're consistent in their vanity sizes and you always know what to expect from that label.

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posted by guest

Jul 12, 2007 1:16PM

Weiiiird. I went to HS with Sabrina.

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posted by d

Jul 12, 2007 1:18PM

Kate Moss dress in an 8 is a US size 4. She wears in Topshop clothes a UKsize 8 (us 4)

Well I'm 5ft 7 and 115 pounds, And now I'm a size 4, but in my life with the same weight i was a bunch of sizes. In the end early 90's I was an S and sometimes and M, by the middle 90's I was an XS and a size 2, at the start of the 2000's I was an XSS size 0, then I started to going up again I was a 2 and now I'm a 4. Well this is the "normal" stores, there are places that a size 2 is more like a size 6.
It's not just the different stores depends also on the decade we are living in.

But I can't understand the obsession with the label, if it fits, fits, if not bad luck, I guess we all have mirrors or "old clothes" to tell us when we are fatter. when don't need the label teling us that.
Anyway who the hell is checking your label swhen you go out?

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posted by Annie T

Jul 12, 2007 1:35PM

Yeah, I have to chime in, too. I like this concept but it reads as though it is terrible to have to wear a size 6 or 8.

"Sabrina wriggled into a Prada dress, enthralled by its appearance…until she saw the size 6 tag. Usually, Sabrina is a 2." Oh my god, FATTY FAT!

We know vanity sizing exists, but emphasizing the horrors of seeing a 6 on the size tag only reflects poorly on the interns and this site. I love Fashionista but the attitude espoused throughout this story just feeds into the idea that a size 6 is huuuuuge.

(For what it's worth, I'm a size two.)

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posted by erika

Jul 12, 2007 1:48PM

I usually find myself laughing at those "but i'm a size 2!?!?" girls. Used to work in a shop that sold men's shirts and ties and ladies blouses. We used the "UK sizes excuse a lot!"
Why just the other day I was at the Soho Bloomingdale's and there was this girl trying on this adorable Marc for Marc Jacobs dress that was, honestly from where I was standing, a little snug in the top. She told the sales girl that she swore it felt big because it's a 10 and there's no way that she's a size 10!!! (I on the other hand always assume large so I was surprised when I swam in the 12 I brought in to try and had to go down to an 8. Yea me!)

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posted by fleur de lys

Jul 12, 2007 2:16PM

There have been times when Gap size 0 items lined up in my closet with Gap size 6 items, and both fit like a glove.

That said, I really didn't like the tone of this article. I have generally high self-esteem, and I'm pretty much a sample size (maybe a little too curvy, but I deal), but I genuinely felt bad about myself after reading this, as though there were something wrong with me because the Express jeans I'm sitting here wearing are a size 4.

I'm all about wearing the clothes that fit, not the number you want to see (after all, isn't that the secret to looking good?), and this article kind of disappointed me.

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posted by leia

Jul 12, 2007 2:18PM

I think everyone is reading a little too much into this....everytime Fashionista posts anything remotely related to size, there are 100 comments within an hour......
I'm a size 8/10. Do I wish I was a size 4? Yeah. A lot. But do I think I look cute in my Marc dress today? Yes.
I don't think you can hold it against Faran that her interns are skinny. I don't think you can hold it against a 20 year old that she freaked out when she needed a bigger size. Hell, I freak out when a 10 doesn't fit and celebrate when a 6 does.
And fashion is for everyone to love and to enjoy, regardless of size.
But it's just fashion everyone, lighten up!

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posted by A.

Jul 12, 2007 2:25PM

wow jenn, well said!!

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posted by Robin

Jul 12, 2007 2:35PM

I don't think the interns were horrified by the idea of "size 8" itself; they were upset to see a leap up from their usual size, as anyone would be. I'm sure someone who is usually a size 16 would be dismayed to discover that some designers considered her a size 20.

I wear a J. Crew 2 and just fit into a Theory 4, so I am always amused when I can barely zip and button my (smaller than I am) mom's size 10 clothes from the late 70s. I also think it's insulting that people who make reasonably priced clothing think they have to scale sizes down so I will think I am tiny...guess what, I know that I am not a tiny stick figure girl, and I don't care what number is on the size tag as long as the dress looks good!

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posted by Bonnie Lass

Jul 12, 2007 3:04PM

Robin, Leia: I know, right? Thank you.

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Everyone should calm down. If any of you had to buy something 2 or 3 sizes larger, you'd probably be a little shocked too.

So, it's okay if you're a size 10 and flip out because you're suddenly a 14, but if you're a size 2 and jump to a size 6 or 8, you should be fucking greatful to be that size? WTF?


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posted by andrea

Jul 12, 2007 3:10PM

i'm totally with jenn on this one

this entire article reflects really poorly on this blog, which is usually so insightful and witty

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posted by Chels

Jul 12, 2007 3:11PM

Word, Robin and Bonnie Lass.

And I'm with you Amandabug. I'm usually around a 2/4, but in some stores I'm a 0/2, or even smaller than that, especially on top. It also makes bra shopping difficult--seriously, Victoria's Secret, we're the gals who NEED the push-up.

I'm not necessarily frustrated when different brands have different sizes, but when the same store has those discrepancies. Gap, I'm looking at you. I always grab a pile of clothes when I go in and I've found that there are often sizes 2s that are larger than size 4s.

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posted by d.

Jul 12, 2007 3:49PM

I do not see nothing wrong with the article it shows sizes are misleading and that' a good point, but I seem to get the impression that some people wouldn't buy a dress just because a label doesn't correspond with the size that you think you are...WTF, who cares, is the clothes going to look worse on you just because the label says you're a size 8 when you you clearly have the measurements of what it should be a size 2?

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posted by Jojo

Jul 12, 2007 3:50PM

This is exactly why I avoid online shopping. It's like a game of Russian roulette. Even for shoes there are some inconsistencies between brands and even with the same brand.

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posted by vivian

Jul 12, 2007 4:27PM

i think the larger sizes are measured in european sizes, whereas american brands such as old navy measure in american sizes.

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posted by luisa

Jul 12, 2007 5:30PM

From my personal experience, I think it's very common for relatively thin people to range in sizes from 0 to 6 or 8 on a variety of designers. It's not really a problem, and it's very naive to think that you would be the exact same size across the board. It's also very common knowledge that lower priced lines usually run very large...most people in the US are overweight, if mass market retailers featured "true" sizes 0 to 12 they would not sell as many clothes because a lot of people would not find a proper fit and would be disappointed by the number on their size tag.
Nevertheless, I actually think that this article is actually very good, at least in theory. Although I think it would be better if the girls all tried the same dresses/pieces in their appropriate size so we can better gauge the difference. Also if you would have made a summary of the size discrepancies in the designers/stores the girls visited it would turn into a more informational tool for your readers. As it is the article seems a bit disorganized. And please don't think it's not necessary to caption pictures, we can't read your mind. Captioning pictures it's a pretty standard thing to do. I have to say I really like it when you send your writers/interns out to try on clothes in stores, lol, it makes your stories very consumer driven and people friendly. A+ for that.

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posted by tmm

Jul 12, 2007 5:59PM

"that said, you probably shouldn't complain about your size being under-represented if you are a size 24 and got their willfully, i.e. not because of some medical condition, but because you eat like crap and treat your body like crap."

Ugh, I'm 5'6" and weigh 105 and eat whatever, whenever I want. I am genetically predisposed to being thin and am a wee bit tired of people considering me anorexic or that it is because of "some medical condition". Furthermore, anyone (men and women) regardless of size would freak out if they jumped up a few sizes or got bumped down a few. The point is not "ew I'm an 8", it's that these companies might want to be a little more conscious of their sizing.

btw, has anyone noticed the vanity sizing of Nine West? I'm usually a 6.5 to 7, but last weekend I bought size 5.5!


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posted by fleur de lys

Jul 12, 2007 7:35PM

TMM, I had the opposite problem buying a pair of Privo shoes last week. Usually I'm an 8.5 to a 9, but I had to get a 10 because it was the only thing that fit. Nice shoes, but wow! they ran small.

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posted by hannah

Jul 12, 2007 7:37PM

OK, several things.

1) H&M does not make size 0 as far as I know, and they are definetly not the worst offenders of vanity sizing (that would be old navy!).

2) "Natalie unsuccessfully tried to squeeze into some size 2 Theory shorts, only to discover she needed not a 4, or a 6, but an 8. Aah!" Some people might think this is insulting to a size 8. I guess it could be, but really what she is trying to say is that she is 3 sizes larger than she thought, at least in Theory (hahaha). I bet most people (myself included) would absolutely freak if this happened.

3) Vanity sizing is annoying, yet... nice. I would much rather wear a 0 that a 6. But when I was sewing a dress from a pattern I chose to make it the smallest size, a 6, and expected there to be room to spare. But the dress wouldn't even zip more than an inch or two (and this was a 12-inch zipper!), and I had to make side panels to make the dress larger! Another time this happened was a few years ago. After confidently buying a pair of capri's in size 1 at(the smallest size that brand made), I tried on another pair of bermuda shorts and could barely squeeze into a 3. I would have been much more comfortable in a 5, but my pride would never, ever admit that I needed to wear a 5. And the scary thing? This was in Sears (yes, I know, this was a while ago!), and the brand was Mudd (if you know anything about Mudd, you would think that they would have the biggest vanity sizing ever!).

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posted by fleur de lys

Jul 12, 2007 7:37PM

By the way, after a nice long nap, I have come around to this article. I do rather like the point - and it illustrates something pretty important - if these interns are fitting into 6, 8, and 10 in upper-end shops, there must be a real dearth of clothes that fit full-figured women, and that's a bummer.

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posted by chels

Jul 12, 2007 8:11PM

hannah, i've found that teeny-bopper stores are the best about not having vanity sizes. The more "mature" the store, the smaller size I need to get, but at American Eagle, I always need to go up from what I think I am...and what I was when I shopped there in high school.

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posted by Jac

Jul 13, 2007 12:54AM

I really think that sizes have been getting larger. I used to buy a lot of things from all those charlotte russe/rampage/forever 21 stores when iwas a preteen and I swear I wear a smaller size now than i did then despire being larger I found this same scenario to be true at Jessica Mcclintock. I've been comparing a lot of my current clothing with stuff I wore in HS, and it is all larger even though it's the same size. Now, I wasn't buying designer things when I was younger, but I had a few nice suits and dresses and it still applies. I think everyone's just getting bigger and those that don't find themselves wearing smaller than they have previously thought.

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posted by Mort

Jul 13, 2007 2:58AM

Good on you JENN! Fantastic, well-written and entirely sensible post. Keep it up.

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posted by Carolyn

Jul 13, 2007 9:54AM

Agree with Jenn and Annie T, though Leia and Robin have good points too.

You know what would be useful? If we could compile a chart of this info: different lines and what size corresponds to whatin each.
For example, I would submit that I wear a 6 at BR, a 10 in DVF, and 8 in Vince, 8 in Daryl K, etc. Then we could average all the results and put it into a size chart. I think this would be a god-send for online shopping expecially.

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posted by a

Jul 13, 2007 10:55AM

If those sizes were consistent, it would work Carolyn. But nobody's are. I have sizes 4-12 in DVF (and they all fit), S, M and L from Vince and Theory, 4-12 in Lyell (and the 4 is bigger than one 12), S, M and L in Club Monaco, S and L, 8-10 in H&M, and 6-10 in Mayle. None of them are in the least bit consistent. I have to say I disagree that the sizes are getting larger, though. My size 6s in Mayle and Lyell are from past seasons and are roomier than current size 10s, and while I used to be a 6 in H&M I'm now an 8-10 and the size 6s all feel bigger. Similarly, my old S in Club Monaco are the same size as the Ms I've bought recently (and I've lain the clothes over each other on a desk to check).

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posted by BIG ON TOP

Jul 14, 2007 5:52AM

to the girl who is big on top and small on the bottom: i unfortunately have no recommendations for dresses, because i have the same problem and it sucks!! but as for bras, you should check out lane bryant. i know they are marketed as a store for big people but their bras start at 34C...and they range from sexy styles to fun & playful styles and they're almost always buy 1 get one free. Just a suggestion for some non-Grandma-esque bras for the heavy chested

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posted by Ani

Jul 14, 2007 7:17PM

Snajana probably wears more European clothes since they are cut smaller than American brands. Vintage is also cut smaller; Women used to be more finer boned than they are today. Blame the chemicals in the food ,different eating habits, genetic mutuations, Etc. ;) The other day I tried to fit in my mother's Biba clothes from the late 1960's, especially the Babydoll and shift dresses. Was kind of "plucked" when the zipper would not go past my breast. I weigh 110 pounds and stand 5 8" and at that age my mother was the same height as me but just smaller in the ribs, she had 30inch bust whereas I have an 34inch bust. Would have to loose about 15 pounds to fit into those dresses but that would be a pound or two away from meeting Karen Carpenter. At least I console myself with the thought that Biba was notoriously famous for cutting their clothes extremely small.

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posted by Angela

Jul 15, 2007 9:00PM

If you want to know your true size, measure yourself and compare it to the sizes on sewing patterns.

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posted by Bella

Jul 17, 2007 2:02AM

A secret to Old Navy and Gap (they're sister stores, same company, as well as Banana Republic)... there's flaws in almost every style of pants. If you typically wear a four at Gap and try on a size 4 trouser that doesn't fit... find another 4 to try on. I work at Gap and see this problem a lot with the clothes.

I've got everything in my clothes from a 0 to an 8, most of them fitting quite well to a little loose. If I had to name a size, I'd guess a 4. My mom, a hard core yo-yo dieter taught me not to care about the size of the clothes you wear but how they look. Better to look like a million bucks in an 8 than a sausage in a 6. If the tag makes me that unhappy, I literally cut it out. No one else has to know what size you wear but you.

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posted by Ani

Jul 19, 2007 6:53AM

Hi Bella I agree with you! Mass-market retailer like GAP or J.Crew are not consistent with their sizing. Had to do the same thing while trying clothes on at Ann Taylor. (I know I know, but some things in there are cute) Anyways So I grabbed another item in the same size just like you mentioned. Perhaps this happens when the sweatshop worker sews on the wrong size tag. ;)
Angela thank you for the advice. Next time I pick up my alterations, will ask the seamstress to measure me.

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posted by Annmarie

Jul 21, 2007 6:20PM

Speaking of which...I had to get fitted for a bridemaid dress the other day. The brand was unmemorable, but the size will stick with me for the rest of my life. I usually wear a size 6-8...but the lady at the store informed me that I need a 16. And then laughed at me as I started gagging and turning purple. But seriously, what is with that? SIXTEEN?

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posted by guest

Jul 28, 2007 9:30AM

I work for a designer, and even though we use the same fit model, some things end up running large, some end up running small. Sometimes factories get confused on seam allowances, or the addition of lining makes something tighter, or stretch makes something feel bigger, etc. Now, I know bigger companies may have the resources to make everything fit consistently (we don't have the time or money to fit and re-fit over and over again), but I'm sure they don't consider it a science. I am used to the fact that i'm a 4 OR a 6 OR an 8.

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